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January 3, 2007

View From Florida (Part III, RE Guts Game)

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We spent the week before Christmas in Florida.  The small suburb where we were visiting is midway between Altamonte Springs, which used to be the north fringe of metro-Orlando, and Daytona Beach.  As of this writing, the are 944 homes listed for sale in this small city.  Different from our last study where the median family income was $66K, the median family income for this suburb is only $36K with 13%+ of families living below the poverty line.

With a couple hours to kill one afternoon, we drove around a couple neighborhoods to check out prospects.  We went through a nearby gated community and then a subdivision literally across the street.

There are bunches of ways to slice the data but we finally settled on the details below for the non-gated subdivision.  (We'll review the gated stuff in "Part IV.")  As a measure of the density of options, it will take me longer to write this missive than it did to drive around and collect the data.

Let's start with a sort by size:

Size   Built  Features     Price     $/SqFt
1,958   1999  4/2/pool    $354,000&   $181
1,985*  1981  4/2/none    $375,000&@  $189
2,234   1989  4/2/none    $364,900    $163
2,400   1999  4/2/pool    $449,900&   $187
2,446   1995  4/4/none    $398,000&   $163
2,446   1995  4/4/pool    $469,000    $192
2,600   1999  4/2.5/pool  $359,000    $138
3,005   1975  5/3.5/pool  $569,900    $190
3,621   2005  4/3.5/none  $699,000#   $193
3,686   2004  6/3.5/pool  $695,000&   $189

*= total 3,128 but only 1,985 "Total A/C SqFt"
#- "Range Priced $699 -$725,000"
&- Assist2Sell, "We sell list and sell homes for as little as $2,495!"
@- "as is, with right to inspect"

First of all, let's discuss "Assist2Sell." (www.Sellfor2495.com) What does it tell you about market conditions when 50% of the listings choose to use a discount agent?  Are conditions so awful that 6% commission is a big hardship?

OK, back to the point at hand.  How does a prospective buyer chose among these listings?  Not to mention the other 10 -15+ we saw for which no flier was available.  (At least no in the front yard.  Puh-leeeeze, you don't expect us to actually go to the trouble of making a phone call to learn the price?)

Personally, I would go straight to the listing at $138/square foot. (Duh!)  When seven of the other nine (or 19 or 90) are $180+ per square foot (+23% /square foot), this stands out.  As special bonuses, this house is empty, the sign in the front yard says "Available for immediate possession" and the flier includes "Seller motivated..."

How will any of these other listings move before this one closes?  How will any of them move at $180+, or even $163, per square foot once there is a "comp" at $138 (or less, given the "motivated seller.")

Before we got too excited, however, there is an additional tool available to buyers looking to squeeze out the best possible deal.  We submit the absolute optimum way to conduct a buy decision in this environment is to understand the seller's cost.

Zillow.com is, of course, readily available with some of this data but our initial study finds it was missing a few sales records.  In a delicious irony, we could use a scam many sellers and seller's agents are using against them.

It is dishonest but it is apparently not actually illegal, nor even against real estate agents' ethics, to list a property tax which bears no relation to what a buyer would have to pay if they pony up at or near the listed price.

Seven of our ten listings include 2005 taxes.  Zillow.com gave us the details on two of the other three.  Reconfiguring our previous list, the following should become the standard for how buyers evaluate purchase options going forward:

                                     Last    Implied
Size   Built  Price $/SqFt '05Taxes  Sale  Cost  Margin$ Margin%
1,958   1999  $354   $181   $2,292   2005  $337    $17K     5%
1,985*  1981  $375   $189   $3,570*  1994  $175   $200K    53% 
2,234   1989  $365   $163   $2,476   1999  $170   $195K    53%
2,400   1999  $450   $187   $3,556   2003  $151   $299K    66%
2,446   1995  $398   $163   $2,719   2000  $185   $213K    54%
2,446   1995  $469   $192   $2,910   2005  $395    $74K    16%
2,600   1999  $359   $138   $2,733*  1999  $153   $206K    57%
3,005   1975  $569   $190   $4,057   2004  $255   $319K    56%
3,621   2005  $699   $193     >>new construction
3,686   2004  $695   $189   $6,474   2004  $409   $286K    41%


*- per zillow.com, assumes 1.9% RE tax rate

I remember playing "guts" games as a kid.  Who has the most "guts"?  To climb highest in the tree?  Or jump a fence and retrieve a ball when there's a ("probably" sleeping) dog?  Or slap the car as it drives by interrupting our street football or baseball games?

Real estate in this area is clearly a massive "guts game."  Which sellers can hold out longer than which buyers?  Which sellers can hold out the longest for the highest price?

As a convenient side effect, Zillow shows only a handful of sales have closed during 2006 in these neighborhoods.  Given the lack of buyers, an additional facet of this guts game figures to become which seller will flinch and get out at a lower price before the seller next door?

Beyond that, what does this new info really tell us?

First, you clearly see a seller in some potential trouble (or potential opportunity) at the top of the list.  After that, you see a lot of sellers sitting on fat margins waiting for somebody to flinch.

Even the $138/square foot seller still grosses ~$206K in profits.  Do you really want to enrich somebody by $200K just because they were willing to settle for $200K instead of the $300K+ implied by staying with the pack at $180/square foot?

Conclusion:
It's a classic guts game.  Who will flinch first?  We're not so naïve as to believe sellers will cave down towards their cost today, tomorrow or the day after.  On the other hand, it only takes one desperate seller to get us in at a price which bears some resemblance to its rental value.

It seems inevitable sellers will soon stop being "insulted" by "low-ball" offers.  "Low-ball" offers will come to be seen as a distinct improvement upon "no" offers.

A few knife catchers may buy based on a price decline of 5% or 10%.  Even so, with 50%+ margins, and a huge(!) glut of inventory, prices have MUCH further to fall than just 5% or 10%.

If you don't "have to" buy, why bother?  (And when do really "have to"?)  There are 100's and 100's of listings going nowhere at current prices.

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The above is not intended as advice to buy, sell or hold any stock, bond, real estate nor any other financial product or service. Buy and sell at your own risk (just like we do.)